The Power of Thought
Do thoughts have power? Do the things that we think about, in the dark, dark recesses of our minds, have power? Do we have an inherent 'right' to anything and everything we can think of?
I think that, for most of us, the answer is going to be a resounding "Yes!", we don't even think about it, of course we have a right to think about anything we want. And, for the most part, I would agree with you.
But now you're about to see a side of B.B. that will prove, beyond any doubt, that I am, in fact, about as extreme as they come. I believe that thoughts have power. I believe that we must be responsible for, not just our actions, but our thoughts as well. I believe, particularly when we're in a relationship, that thoughts are indeed very, very powerful and it is our job to KNOW what is going on inside of our heads.
I believe that thought produces action. Not all the time, perhaps not even MOST of the time, but sometimes, too many times, it does. And this is all well and good when the thought we're thinking is along the lines of "I want a piece of cake" and this thought leads us to getting a piece of cake. No harm, no foul.
I believe in equality in thought. I believe that thought is one of the single most powerful things we have at our disposal.
But, this theory of culpability is quite an unpopular theory. It could be the single most poignant example of my Extremist tendencies. People do not, under any circumstances, want to be held accountable for their thoughts, for their fantasies. People, by and large, want to be able to be utterly 'safe' to think any number of nasty thoughts and not be held accountable for them.
Here's an example. You see a woman at a club; she's attractive, very attractive. Later that night you go home and masturbate to the thought of her fucking a donkey. Is this acceptable?
Here's another one. Your wife doesn't like anal sex; she's repulsed by it in fact. She refuses to let you put your member anywhere near her ass. Instead, you sequester yourself in the bathroom and masturbate to the image of you putting it to her anally. Is this acceptable?
For me, the answer is a resounding "No". And this, I think, will ruffle many a feather.
"Beaver!" You cry indignantly, "Fantasies are harmless! What are you now? The frigging Thought Police? First you tell me Porn is bad and I should get rid of it, NOW you're telling me that my THOUGHTS must ALSO be censored! You've gone too damn far B.B.!"
About this time I hear the usual slew of protests. 'Just because I fantasize about it when I masturbate doesn't mean that I'm going to DO it!', 'Fantasies are harmless, they're simply harmless fun!', 'People have LOTS of fantasies and they don't act out on them!' the list goes on and on.
Perhaps you're right. But I'm going to throw out another scenario for you. You don't have to tell me what your gut instinct is, but I would like you to pay attention to it.
You have a friend, a male, whom you know from work. You, your wife, and this fella get together quite frequently to play cards and chat. One night, after too many beers, this guy gets a little loose in the lips and admits that he masturbates to thoughts of 6 year old girls a lot, to thoughts of HIM having sex with 6 year olds. You had planned to ask your friend to watch your 6 year old daughter the following weekend, are you going to let him watch her now?
Well, if you don't believe that people act out on fantasies, if you truly, honest to god believe that fantasies are utterly and completely harmless then you should go away the following weekend and leave this man alone with your 6 year old child while you and wifey-poo have a fun-filled weekend.
Now, quell the anger and indignation in your gut because it is at THIS point that I begin to lose people. Yes, I've had this discussion before, I've debated it to its conclusion many, many times. Even poor Dim faced this theory from me and invariably, when I bring up the above scenario, I manage to piss them off for good. So calm down a sec and think logically about it.
Why is the last scenario different from the first two?
If people don't act out on Fantasies then why is it different? If fantasies are as dangerous as kittens and butterflies then why won't you leave your child with the man who admits to having these sexual fantasies with children?
How about this one ladies, you've started dating a man. He seems like a nice guy but, one night, the conversation turns to sexual fantasies. He admits to having many rape fantasies, violent rape fantasies. He admits to masturbating to images of women being raped by him. He admits that he's even had a fantasy involving YOU where he raped you repeatedly.
Are you going out on that next date with him? Or are you headed for the hills?
Here's the deal. Most people have 'bars' in place, they have reasons that they don't act out on a given fantasy. For example, you may have a fantasy of having anal sex with your wife, anal sex which she utterly refuses to give you. The only way for you to get anal sex from your wife would therefore be to rape her, and dude, you're not like that, you have NO intention of raping her. The means to get the fantasy, to play it out, is NOT one of your fantasies. You don't fantasize about rape, you fantasize about anal sex and you're not willing to rape your wife to get it.
What if she gets drunk at the Christmas party? What if the woman is falling down, puking, stinking drunk and you take her home and realize that she's passed out and will never wake up. You could have the college marching band in that bedroom and she ain't a movin'. Just about that time you start getting a bit randy yourself, and your mind goes exactly where you've trained it to go, it goes to anal sex. (I'll get into the bit about 'training' in another post) You look over at your wife whom you have utter and complete power over since she's passed out. She won't remember it, she sure as hell won't wake up. Do you try it?
Maybe not, maybe you realize that it would STILL be rape, and damnit, you simply can't fathom the thought of raping her.
So, let's move the bar around a bit. You come home from that Christmas Party and one of your co-workers calls you, she asks you if you could please, please, please, come and pick her up from the party and bring her home, she's too drunk to drive and doesn't have money for a cab. You kiss your snoozing wife on the cheek, knowing she's out for the count and head back to help out your female co-worker. When you get to her house she begins making a play at you. She's drunk and she's aggressively trying to get you to sleep with her, she mentions that she LOVES anal sex.
What're you going to do?
I'm sure that many of us aren't going to take her up on that offer. But then again, many of us might. The wife sure as hell isn't going to catch you; she's passed out and will probably not even remember the party itself.
The point is that for most people it's a matter of shifting the bar around. The more we THINK about something, the more we fantasize about it, the more desensitized we become to it. This is knowledge that everyone has, THAT'S why nobody wants to leave their child with a man who admitted to masturbating to thoughts of fucking children. We already know this on some level. We have accepted this and our guts scream to us, "HEY!! HEY!! Don't you DARE leave little Polly with that sick fucker!! She's in DANGER damnit!!"
Why? Because thoughts have power and we never really know just how powerful a given thought will be to a given person. We never really know just where we have to shift that bar to get them to act on their orgasm inducing thoughts.
We never know, do we?
Sure, we may know that WE may not act on a given thought, but do you know that your Wife wouldn't? Your Husband? The neighbor? With the rates of infidelity it's safe to assume that many, many people have wrongly judged just how powerful their S.O's thoughts are.
There are so many other aspects to this theory, there's the idea that you can't truly want sexual equality for your spouse if you put her into situations in your mind that she would find revolting. There's the idea that the desensitization issue, which is far too large to get into at this point in the post. There's the idea of 'expectation' and Power of Expectation (something I'll get into in a later post). Suffice it to say that THIS theory has many, many facets. It is also the most 'piss off the masses' theory that I have at the moment. (But never you fear! I'm sure that I'll come up with another, even more, obnoxious theory!)
The facts as I see them is that people want to see the world through their own lenses. Just because they may not do something they fantasize about sure as hell doesn't mean that someone else won't. We, as human beings, also have a really, really annoying habit of excusing OUR behavior because we like to think of ourselves as 'good people'. If we acknowledge that fantasizing about gang-banging a 12 year old girl could be wrong then we have to acknowledge that we were thinking 'wrong thoughts'.
If we acknowledge that a man who fantasizes about gang-banging that 12 year old may be more likely to actually, you know...try to be involved in a gang-bang of a 12 year old, we may also have to acknowledge that OUR fantasies, (which we've always thought of as acceptable and benign) may not be as harmless as we think. We may have to own up to the idea that if we're fantasizing about anal sex we could perpetrate great pain onto people that we love, that WE might just be capable of acting out, just like the sicko who thinks of the 12 year old.
The other factor is that we simply do not WANT to have to monitor our thoughts, that is an incredibly difficult and not-so-enjoyable process. If we acknowledge the other 2 things then we, as moral human beings, must make an effort to curb those thoughts which give us so much pleasure. There's already enough intrusion into our lives from the external sources (Think Bush here) that we really, really resent the idea that we should be responsible for what goes on in our heads.
Hmmm, I've written way too much for today. I'll come back to this post another time, although, I acknowledge that there may not be any readers for me to come back to after this post.
Oh well, if anything can be said for me it's that I have no shortage of things to talk about *grin*
~Biting Beaver
8 Comments:
So--I'm asking this out of genuine curiosity, not trying to pick a fight or argue with you. I'd like to know what your thoughts on "acceptable" fantasies are--ones that are completely in the realm of legal, moral, and proper behaviour, to you and any partner you may have. Are these still harmful?
Example 1: Your wife has had the flu for a week, and really just feels awful, so she's had no sex drive, and while you're quite willing to respect that, you're still getting to the point of wanting some sexual gratification. So you go to the other end of the house, so as not to wake her, and mastrubate to thoughts of the two of you, from past sexual encounters, that have already happened and were mutually enjoyed. Is *this* "ok"?
2) My (male) partner and I (female) are polyamorous. We've previously been mutually involved with a female partner, for some time. We've both desired to have a mutual relationship with a male partner--this hasn't happened yet simply because we haven't yet met anyone that we're both interested in and is interested in both of us. I fantasize about this dynamic--not of any person in particular--both when alone and sometimes when having sex with my partner. Is *this* wrong under your standards?
I'm quite interested to hear your thoughts here.
-I
We tried to answer you with just a comment, -I, but in the end, you got a whole post just for you. :)
If our bad fantasies make us bad, or at least morally dubious, people, does the opposite apply? If you would censure us for our inappropriate fantasies, would you credit us for thinking good thoughts, regardless of our actions?
In other words, if I have a fantasy of underage sex which makes me evil, does thinking about being charitable and decent make me good?
I would argue not, in both cases. Only our actions define who we are. To be a good person, we must carry out good deeds and act in a good way. Surely to be a bad person we must also carry out bad acts? If thoughts alone cannot define us as good, they should not define us as evil.
Having said that, I can agree that I would not trust a man who confessed to fantasies of sex with children with my child. However, this is because he has already gone beyond the realm of thought; telling someone your fantasies is an act, taking that fantasy out of the realm of pure thought.
I hope all this makes sense, but I'd be happy to try to expand on it.
If our bad fantasies make us bad, or at least morally dubious, people, does the opposite apply? If you would censure us for our inappropriate fantasies, would you credit us for thinking good thoughts, regardless of our actions?
In other words, if I have a fantasy of underage sex which makes me evil, does thinking about being charitable and decent make me good?
I would argue not, in both cases. Only our actions define who we are. To be a good person, we must carry out good deeds and act in a good way. Surely to be a bad person we must also carry out bad acts? If thoughts alone cannot define us as good, they should not define us as evil.
Having said that, I can agree that I would not trust a man who confessed to fantasies of sex with children with my child. However, this is because he has already gone beyond the realm of thought; telling someone your fantasies is an act, taking that fantasy out of the realm of pure thought.
I hope all this makes sense, but I'd be happy to try to expand on it.
Very interesting point.
I would also like to make it clear again that I don't advocate censorship of what's in anyones head. If someone wants to fantasize about sex with a minor then that's fine. The point I'm trying to make is that I don't think it's possible for anyone to NOT be influenced by what's going on in their heads.
I believe that the more we think a given thought the more prone we are to acting upon it if the bar is moved to the right height. The more we ponder something the more desensitized we become to it.
I don't think there can be a unity between what we WANT to be and what we ARE unless we're thinking AND acting with responsibility. Morality has nothing to do with it, my morality is not someone elses morality etc. And, to be frank, I don't care what's in peoples minds. The point I want to make is that I do not believe that one can say they, for example, love children while simultaneously thinking sexual thoughts about children. Do you see what I mean?
It may well be that we will have to agree to disagree on this one because if you believe that only actions count, well, that logic is inherently not in keeping with the logic I used.
While I do see what you're saying about the acting out part, it does make me wonder. Why is it that speaking the action is somehow inherently worse than masturbating to it? Presumably he/she masturbated to the thought before they spoke it, is that not action as well?
I suppose I'm saying that only actions count because I can only judge someone by their actions, as I can't know their thoughts. Personally speaking, I think of myself as a good, generous, "decent" person, but sadly too often my actions are selfish and lazy; I have trouble reconciling my self image with my actions. To an outside observer, I am not the person I like to think I am.
Similarly, I know I have fantasies that would get me locked up if were to act on them, but I absolutely know I would never act on them, and therefore I consider them largely harmless. For me, at least, the bar remains unmoved.
As for the other point, I think what I meant is that in order not to trust a man because of his sexual fantasies, I have to know about them; therefore his action of telling me is what has allowed me to make that judgement.
Having said that, I think there is a subtle difference between indulging in a masturbastory fantasy in private and telling someone else that fantasy. If you keep your those fantasies private, you are at least acknowledging that they are socially unacceptable. Discussing them with others seems to imply a greater acceptance of those fantasies as normal; I would be worried by someone who was as open about their underage sex fantasies as I am about my run of the mill lesbians-in-a-vat-of-custard fantasy...
Anyway, thanks for responding to my post; although I don't often agree with your posts, I do enjoy reading them (and I apologise for the anonymity; it's a bit rude and I'll post under a name of some sort in the future).
I realise that this is an old post but BB, your opinions and comments here makes absolutely no sense.
Elsewhere you have called me an *asshole* for defending my choice to use legal pornography - fantasising to a mental image of consensual sex, using a physical image of a man and/or woman who (most likely) consented to be photographed for such a purpose.
Yet you defend the right of a pedophile-in-thought-only to fantasize about sex with a child?
"If someone wants to fantasize about sex with a minor then that's fine."
Such a fantasy necessarily involves rape. It's fetishising the very act of committing a crime.
Making this statement goes against everything you said about "The Power of Thought".
I would give up porn forever (and quite a bit else) if it meant that I and my family would be spared the company of anyone who ever entertained this fantasy.
But you think it's "fine", as long as they someday acknowledge that thoughts can influence action and "make an effort to curb those thoughts".
I just can't understand you. It's beyond hypocrisy.
Mr. Macarena,
You mistake what I say. If you read the post you'll note that the entire point of the post is to get people to be responsible for their thoughts.
This post was not designed to get into what *I* think is right or wrong, a point that I make several times. This post was not intended to make judgment calls on what people are thinking, to do so would have muddled the post beyond what I intended to deal with.
Obviously, I have a huge problem with people who fantasize about children. However, as everyone else who read the post was able to decipher, that post was not ABOUT what *I* think is right or wrong. It was about being sure that your thoughts fall in line with who you determine yourself to be.
I tried to be very careful when I crafted that post to not sound like I was 'telling people what to think' or that I was trying to 'censor their thoughts' apparantely that is also a Catch 22 because I either tell people that 'Your thoughts are WRONG' and get the verbal snot knocked out of me for presuming to tell people what to think, or else I make it a point to stay entirely away from the subject of what is 'proper' and 'appropriate' and I get bashed for NOT telling people off for what their thinking.
I don't think that anyone else had any trouble understanding that I wasn't about to give any MORE ammo to someone to use against me by having them say "Well, you have some fucking nerve trying to tell me that my thoughts are WRONG!"
I was attempting to let all of that go, to remove MY ideas of right and wrong so that the reader had no option but to focus on the meat of the post, which was, BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR THOUGHTS AND FANTASIES.
Perhaps now you 'get it' although, I suspect that you're a tad behind as everyone else already 'got it'.
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